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Nano Ciliegia Tomato in Recirculating Hydroponics: Excessive Growth and Early Termination

Grow log by airscapes · Original thread

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CropTomato
VarietyNano Ciliegia
Methodindoor hydroponics, DIY Bounty seed starting, recirculating bucket system, grow-tent cultivation
EquipmentDIY Bounty, two-bucket 8-gallon recirculating system, temperature-controlled grow tent, 200 W LED panels, timers, water pump, input fan, exhaust fan, circulation fan, containment tub, fencing
Plants3
AudienceAdvanced

What you can learnStrong case study in matching tomato growth habit to indoor space, recognising possible excess-nitrogen growth, planning root capacity in recirculating buckets, and deciding when an overcrowded hydroponic run is no longer manageable.

Actions:3 Pruning2 Planting2 Nutrients2 Solution1 Transplant1 Finished1 Training
Useful practices
  • germinating at 80 F in a temperature-controlled tent
  • monitoring EC
  • pH
  • water temperature
  • and day/night air temperature
  • lowering solution pH from 6.5 to 6.2
  • performing weekly rinse-and-refill cycles
  • reducing refill EC after possible nutrient stress
  • pinching top shoots to restrain growth
  • shaking flower clusters for pollination
  • installing fencing to contain and support the plant
Problems encountered
  • initial seedling failure
  • leaf-edge damage
  • suspected excessive nitrogen
  • excessive bushy growth and space crowding
  • restricted airflow
  • root overgrowth causing bucket overflow
  • stagnant or foul-smelling containment water
  • fruit remaining unripe at termination

*The days were calculated automatically and approximately.

Day 118
UPDATE#15
Grower update

Update #15

A By airscapes

This guy was just too big and bushy for the tent and the bucket was over flowing due to too many roots..The water in the containment bin was starting to stink and we were a long way off from much of the fruit ripening. The other 2 small plants were just about done and havested.
Conversation
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lynnee

Aww, that's too bad. All that work, and no tomatoes. It was an interesting project to watch, so at least you can chalk it up to experience!

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Sher

Too bad you couldn't harvest and eat all the roots it produced, airscapes. I'm sorry you lost the plants.

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Shawn

That is a shame. Too bad you could not just trim the roots and save.

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airscapes

Was kind of tired or it.. wanted my basement back Right now I have all the potted tomatoes, 4 peeper and one eggplant in the tent. Just mixed in some sulfur and UREA in the the tomato bed as per soil test and want a good heavy rain which still has not happened.. Think I am supposed to wait 2 weeks before planting after the Sulfur but will probably not as it is late already..

Day 91
UPDATE#14
Grower update

Update #14

Actions taken

TrainingUnzipped the grow tent and installed fencing to contain the sprawling plant and improve light access for the other tomatoes.

A By airscapes

Apr 11, 2022 23:09:33 GMT -5 lynnee said:It looks like it's trying to fight its way out of the tent! I dunno about that definition of "dwarf" tomato. Something that can reach 5 feet in height and a couple of feet in width isn't a dwarf!Do you have any tomatoes yet? Do you know what they're supposed to taste like? You must be another Charlotte MacLeod cozy mystery fan. The Curse of the Giant Hogweed is a classic! Hi Lynnee!Sorry I missed this.. this guy was not sold as Dwarf it was determinant. There are green fruits but nothing ripe. Supposed to be strong tomato flavor (I read that as more acid then sweet which is our goal)This plant is surely getting too much nitrogen but at this point I am just running with it. Looks like the 2 dwarf plants will be done after all the fruit ripens and is harvest. If they are still going in Late May I will take them outside for how ever long they will continue and move this guy to center stage and see what comes of it .. This week I unzipped the tent and installed some fencing to contain it.. Not sure that is the best as it is really tight and no air flow but wanted to give the others some light..
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B
belugaleuca

Wow it grew so much, it makes it look like the other tomatoes shrunk!!

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airscapes

It is totally out of control, but just going to let it go. I do no think the others will continue to produce after everything ripen so will eventually give this guy the whole tent. Under all that are a lot of dead and dying leaves and branches as you can imagine. I just don't know how to deal with it, and keep it contained so I am just going to let nature deal with it.. for now.. Still noting red on this guy, too busy making leaves I guess.. but there are lots of flowers under the green so time will tell!

Day 85
UPDATE#13
Grower update

Update #13

A By airscapes

My fault really, did not understand what bush growth behavior was this.. I just thought it was like an early girl bush that grew to about 24". A tumbleweed growth behavior when grown hydroponically is a more accurate description Of course Ellie has never grown this hydroponically and does say it can get 5ft tall so there is really just me to blame for planting a semi determinant bush in a 3x3 tent with 2 other plants..
Conversation
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lynnee

It looks like it's trying to fight its way out of the tent! I dunno about that definition of "dwarf" tomato. Something that can reach 5 feet in height and a couple of feet in width isn't a dwarf!Do you have any tomatoes yet? Do you know what they're supposed to taste like? You must be another Charlotte MacLeod cozy mystery fan. The Curse of the Giant Hogweed is a classic!

Day 85
UPDATE#12
Grower update

Update #12

A By airscapes

really taking over!
Conversation
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Sher

Yikes! It's a monster!

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Shawn

I second that

Day 77
UPDATE#11
Grower update

Update #11

A By airscapes

Too Much Nitrogen I guess..
Day 70
UPDATE#10
Grower update

Update #10

Actions taken

PruningRepeatedly pinched and snapped growth during the week to contain the plant.

A By airscapes

This Giant Hog Weed is really not Dwarf in any way shape or from.. It is a bush.. I have been pinching and snapping all week long.. May try growing this outside just to see how tall it really gets.. I was told it could grow to 5' and should not have put it in the tent after I realized how little room 3x3x6 actually is.So I truly had not looked up what makes a Dwarf tomato. This guy meets all the below criteria .. pruning part may be due to excessive nitrogen.. So my statement of it not being Dwarf is not correct. Sorry Ellie, and thanks for correcting me via mail.Dwarf Tomato plants are defined as: Height of 2 to 4 ½ feetA sturdy framework to support the fruitsTomatoes in all sizes, shapes and colorsFlavors ranging from sweet to tartMinimal pruning requirementsCapacity to grow in a limited size gardenMature plants that could be grown in 5-gallon containers or straw bales
Day 63
UPDATE#9
Grower update

Update #9

Actions taken

SolutionCompleted a reservoir rinse and refill before pruning.
PruningStarted pinching out top shoots to restrain the plant's vigorous bushy growth.

A By airscapes

Holy Bush Batman! I have a feeling this plant is getting too much Nitrogen as it is growing like a weed! Today after R&R I started pinching out top shoots. There are lots of flower clusters in there, just have to dig to find them and give them a shake..
Conversation
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Sher

Wow!!! It IS a bush! The dwarf plants look like the big bush had baby bushes.

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airscapes

looking at the picture of the 3, the Dwarfs remind me of Tribbles

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lynnee

Yes, they do!

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Sher

airscapes , they really do!!!

Day 57
UPDATE#8
Grower update

Update #8

Actions taken

NutrientsSlightly reduced the nutrient strength used for reservoir refills after observing leaf-edge damage.

A By airscapes

This guy had a lot more edge damage on some of the medium old leaves. I am not sure if it was the RR last week or with the change in humidity, or if my nutrient level is too strong. Nothing has changed as far as the mix of nutrient just the age of the plant and the humidity level. I would think the plant would drink less with higher humidity than when very dry but cutting back slightly on the refill EC.And I did find the first flowers have dropped and were pollinated!
Conversation
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lynnee

Yay, flowers pollinated!

Day 50
UPDATE#7
Grower update

Update #7

Actions taken

SolutionPerformed a weekly reservoir rinse-and-refill routine.

A By airscapes

OGM thing thing is a BUSH, can not even see what is going on inside but there are some flowers open!!R&R every week
Day 46
UPDATE#6
Grower update

Update #6

A By airscapes

I guess I forgot to update this on the 27th.. It is growing like a weed, no flowers open yet but soon!
Conversation
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Shawn

It is growing fast

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airscapes

That was sunday, raised the light 2 more inches today.. it is a bush! So I have this bush and 2 Iron Fists (dwarfs) I am totally out of my element!

L
lynnee

Maybe the bush is a changeling?

A
airscapes

Long as it changes into ripe read cherries!

Day 29
UPDATE#5
Grower update

Update #5

Actions taken

FinishedLowered the pH of the three tomato systems from 6.5 to 6.2.

A By airscapes

2 weeks and now we are starting to pick up some speed. This plant should/could grow to 3-4' as it is not a dwarf.If anyone is interested, downed all 3 of these from ph6.5 to 6.2 per fertilizer manufacture specs. This one is a little early but 6.5 is a bit high once they get growing. Ec is 2.12 water temp ranges from 69-71 Lights on temp 79-82 night time 66-67
Conversation
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lynnee

The water temp numbers are interesting to me. The air temp in my upstairs growing room--actually my "office" before I retired--gets over 80 during the afternoons. The water temps aren't nearly that high, but the tomato plants have really slowed their growth.

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airscapes

This is a basement that stays around 67 this time of year. The floor (concreate slab) is about 64. The heat is generated by the lights. the heat in the water is generated by the pumps and air temp. I have everything on a timer so the tub and buckets pump runs for 15 minutes every 2 hours and the DIY bounty runs 3 minutes on, 25 off. The bounty and tub are supported on lumber to raise them up to the sameish level as the 5gallon buckets. The buckets are in a large tub for leakage containment. I also have input and exhaust fans running when lights are on and a stationary fan inside to move air around. Oscillating fan to replace stationary arrives tomorrow! Lights are 2 200W LED panels currently running at 75% output (dimmer) at about 16" above the plants.

Day 21
UPDATE#4
Grower update

Update #4

Actions taken

PruningSnipped one of the young seedlings before moving the remaining plant.
TransplantMoved the approximately 14-day-old plant from the starter unit to the recirculating bucket system.

A By airscapes

About 14 days, snipped on and moved to bucket system..
Day 14
UPDATE#3
Grower update

Update #3

Actions taken

PlantingPlanted replacement Nano Ciliegia seeds in one Parks sponge and one AeroGarden sponge in the DIY Bounty.

A By airscapes

Planted 2 more sponges, one seed in a Parks sponge, pre wet and rinsced, and 2 in an Areogarden spong. Both in the DIY bount. Parks did to go, both seeds in the AG did..Crossing fingers they keep going as this was the biggest of the 3 plants I was growing.
Day 5
UPDATE#2
Grower update

Update #2

A By airscapes

Just a picture update, not much change in a couple days but wanted to get on an even number. Will be moved to the bucket system and one removed this weekend .. I hope!
Conversation
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airscapes

Unfortunately this seedling seems to have given up.. Have planted another seed in a new sponge, back to the start. This was the pant that I hoped would be a big provider of fruit in early spring up until July when the outside garden starts producing. The waiting begins again..

Day 1
UPDATE#1
Grower update

Update #1

Actions taken

PlantingStarted the Nano Ciliegia seed in the DIY Bounty on January 10, 2022.
NutrientsAdded Hydro-Gardens Tomato Formula, calcium nitrate, and magnesium sulfate on day six.

A By airscapes

Nano Ciliegia is a product of Ellie's at Bunny Hop Seeds Started 1-10-22 in DIY Bounty, to be moved to 2 bucket 8 gallon recirculating system.Germination took 3 days at 80F in a temperature controlled grow tent.Hydro-Gardens Tomato formula, calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate added at day 6 per manufactures instuctionshydro-gardens.com/product/tomato-formula-5lbs-box-4-18-38x5/Ec 2.02 PH 6.7 (PH close enough to target 6.5 not to bother adjusting atm)
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campingcorgis

They certainly sound tasty! Your project will be interesting to watch and learn!

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