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Birdie Rouge Micro-Dwarf Tomato in a DIY Bounty

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CropTomato
VarietyBirdie Rouge
Method-
EquipmentDIY Bounty with two-gallon reservoir, temperature-controlled grow tent, grow light, exhaust fans, oscillating fan, humidity controls
Plants1
AudienceAdvanced

What you can learnA technical micro-dwarf tomato trial covering nutrient formulation, environmental control, compact fruit load, ripening, and taste under artificial light.

Actions:4 Nutrients4 Solution2 Harvest1 Planting1 Transplant1 Equipment1 Pruning
Useful practices
  • weekly solution changes
  • using exact fertilizer measurements
  • raising humidity and cycling fans
  • removing inward-growing shoots
  • testing reduced potassium nitrate
  • harvesting at red or near-ripe stages
  • ripening picked fruit beside ripe tomatoes
Problems encountered
  • leaf curling under bright close lighting
  • low humidity and possible heat stress
  • fertilizer strength may have been excessive
  • slow or uneven ripening
  • mild flavour under artificial light

*The days were calculated automatically and approximately.

Day 91
UPDATE#16
Grower update

Update #16

Actions taken

HarvestPicked a larger batch of the ripest tomatoes.
FinishedPlaced picked fruit with ripe Campari tomatoes to accelerate ripening.

A By airscapes

4-17 Picked a bunch of the ripest.. got tired of waiting. Have them in a container with a bunch of rip Campari tomatoes.. the off gassing of the riper Campari's helps speed the ripening process..
Day 85
UPDATE#15
Grower update

Update #15

Actions taken

HarvestPicked several tomatoes for tasting.

A By airscapes

Picked a few, wife had one, but unfortunately did not lead off with the fresh one and started with her Campari and then tried the Birdie.. said it did not taste good.. will wait to see how things progress before passing judgement. We found with last years experiment using our known variety, that artificial light seem to play the largest part in the way they taste. My plan now is that when the weather gets warm enough I will move the 2 micro dwarfs out side and let the nano encompass the tent.
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Sher

But they are beautiful. Keep us posted on any taste difference after you move them outdoors.

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airscapes

I am hoping that as they continue to ripen they taste better.. I also have not personally tasted any, will try some tomorrow at lunch!

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airscapes

I had one today, could have been a little bit riper, did not taste "Bad", just very mild compared to Campari..

Day 77
UPDATE#14
Grower update

Update #14

A By airscapes

Just waiting.. Normally with my outdoor plants I would have picked these already, but Ellie from Bunny Hop Seed as well as many here say the micro dwarfs taste best when left on until red ripe, so I will wait and see..
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B
belugaleuca

It looks so colorful in there!

Day 72
UPDATE#13
Grower update

Update #13

A By airscapes

Conversation
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Sher

What beautiful hidden gems!

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airscapes

Lynnee, I just looked up my FB posts from last year (made for just this purpose) My outdoor Burpee Early 4th of July tomatoes took 87 days from seed to mouth. Birdie Rouge, assuming the first one is ready to eat in 7 days, will be exactly 87 days, seed to mouth!!

Day 70
UPDATE#12
Grower update

Update #12

A By airscapes

Not much to update, just waiting for red..
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Sher

They are still looking great, airscapes.

Day 63
UPDATE#11
Grower update

Update #11

Actions taken

NutrientsAdded potassium nitrate at a reduced rate.

A By airscapes

This guy just keep blooming!! For the size of the plant the fruit load is just insane! I was not going to add Potassium Nitrate to any of these plant as they are soo small compared to last years outdoor plant. The fertilizer mix calls for it in stage 3 of growth which both the true Dwarf plants are now in. With this weeks mix I did add it at a reduced level to see how they react. Just to Bridieand Lise. Mix calls for 1/5 tsp per gallon I only added 1/16th this time around.
Conversation
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lynnee

Are the grow tent tomatoes developing faster or slower than your outdoor plants, airscapes?

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airscapes

It is hard to tell, I have never grown these. The plants I use for outside are some of the shortest days to maturity on the market. I think the Burpee early 4th of july are 48 days. I normally start them middle of April now, plant first or second week of May and eat first fruit last week of june/first week of july all depends on weather. In years gone by I would start sooner and have marble sized tomatoes when put out side. This did not really speed things up as the roots were pot bound and I was trying to mananage a dozen 7" pot inside. Once moved out the would just sit there in the cold soil. So now I put them out when they are just growing out of the 4" pots and let the root system grow in the ground. These dwarfs are a bit slower I think but not to much. Ellie (Bunny Hop Seeds) says they are all very early but did not give me days to maturity.

Day 57
UPDATE#10
Grower update

Update #10

Actions taken

PruningPulled out new shoots that were growing inward.

A By airscapes

After a week of 63-65% Relative Humidity, this plant is looking much happier! Leaves are unwinding a bit, and I am digging through it each morning looking for new shots. If I pull them out so the don't grow in they seems to do much better. I am hope to get some ripe tomatoes soon! Man there are ton of tomatoes on this tiny thing. I would highly recommend this for a true AG unit, it should not grow out of the light but then again, the light i have it under is much brighter than any of the AG units. It is said to get no taller than 12" and only need small pot if grown in soil. See first post for a link to the seed seller.
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lynnee

My AG Heirloom red and yellow tomatoes grow with tight canopies like your Birdie Rouge. They appreciate having those interior shoots cleared out, too!

Day 50
UPDATE#9
Grower update

Update #9

Actions taken

SolutionPerformed a rinse and refill.

A By airscapes

Roots during R&R 3-7
Conversation
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Sher

Beautiful, healthy root system!

S
Shawn

Not bad. The roots are not out of control

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airscapes

The plant is tiny.. I mean, I have had bigger heads of lettuce! Description said it gets no more than 12" tall, it is about 9" now, and has a LOT of fruit on it for the size of the plant.BTW for the real AG units, this DIY unit holds 2 Gallons of water so I am thinking the Birdie Rouge would work well in most any of the larger AG units for sure. One other thought on the roots.. I am doing R&R every week and watering with 1/2 strength so the plant does not need to search for food. Could be why the roots are not going nuts or it is just due to the Dwarf characteristics.

Day 50
UPDATE#8
Grower update

Update #8

Actions taken

SolutionChanged the reservoir water.
NutrientsAdded fresh fertilizer after the water change.

A By airscapes

Update on 3-7-22, after changing water and fertilizer Lots of little fruits all hidden in the fist
Day 43
UPDATE#7
Grower update

Update #7

Actions taken

EquipmentAdded controls for exhaust and oscillating fans to improve humidity and airflow.
SolutionChanged the fluid.
NutrientsMixed fertilizer with exact rather than heaping amounts.

A By airscapes

Not sure what week this is, but It's Sunday 2/27/22 and my poor little dwarf plants are not looking the way I had hoped they would. I think the light has been too close and hot and the humidity too low. Probably a little to hot on the fertilizer for these varieties as well. The non Dwarf (Nano Ciliegia) looks fine.. so must just be this type. Anyway, have the humidity double what it was at about 60% during the day and I fear over 70% at night so working on a humidity control for the exhaust fans. Added a control to the oscillating fan so it cycles on and off every minute during the day and on/off 1/2 minutes at night to see if that will help.Changed the fluid today, went with exact amounts rather than heaping spoons. Birdie has the most tomatoes of the 3.
Day 29
UPDATE#6
Grower update

Update #6

A By airscapes

This is the 4 week mark, one flower opening.. Anyone know if the curling of the the leaves is normal for the Dwarf Micro plants? This one and Lise are both doing it but the Nano Ciliegia which is not a true Dwarf and has more standard type leaves is not doing it and all have the same solution stength.Had to put black paper around the plants to get a half way accurate picture. too much white and bright light even with the lights dimed to 25%This guy is so small, have to wonder how many more buds are inside and under it where I can not see.
Conversation
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Sher

airscapes, yes, the micro dwarf tomatoes usually curl under.

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airscapes

WHOHOO! Thanks Sher! I was really worried they were getting too much of something!

E
ERR0R1755

Same here - when I grew the Orange Hat and Micro Tom, they also curled under.

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lynnee

That thick, downward-curling canopy is what drives me crazy about the AG heirloom red tomatoes, and the AG golden harvests to a lesser extent.The canopy hides the ripening tomatoes, and if you aren't diligent about checking for ripeness, the tomatoes may actually split before you notice them.

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airscapes

Try picking a couple as soon as or just after they enter the breaker state or any time before fully ripe. If not familiar with the term, it is when the fruit just starts to color. At this point the studies show that not much other than water will pass through the membrane to the tomato. If picked at this point the fruit will ripen off the vine as it would on and should taste the same if left to hang. I think that taste part has a lot to do with the variety, but it is worth an experiment as it can save you a lot of spit fruit, especially when grown outside. I pick my outdoor Ealry 4th of july Burpee's as soon as the start to show orange with no taste difference but never do they split unless I miss one like you say.. hiding under a leaf!

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lynnee

airscapes, I will try that. My tomatoes do ripen on the countertop when I terminate a plant.

Day 21
UPDATE#5
Grower update

Update #5

A By airscapes

Just went down to check on Nano and took and thought I saw buds, grabbed the jewelers loop and yep! Photo take with loop in front of the phones cam lens
Day 21
UPDATE#4
Grower update

Update #4

Actions taken

SolutionChanged the fluid in the DIY Bounty.
TransplantMoved the Nano Ciliegia plant to a bucket system.

A By airscapes

30 days and doing well! I did change the fluid today and moved the nana C. to the bucket
Day 14
UPDATE#3
Grower update

Update #3

A By airscapes

20 days since seed were planted. Tiny little guy, only suposed to get 12" tall..
Day 5
UPDATE#2
Grower update

Update #2

A By airscapes

Just an image update at 10 days, will be thinned this weekend and remain in this unit but not sure it it will remain in the tent do to lack of space.. will see what I can come up with.This one should get no taller than 12".. I hope
Day 1
UPDATE#1
Grower update

Update #1

Actions taken

PlantingStarted Birdie Rouge seed on January 10.
NutrientsAdded tomato formula, calcium nitrate, and magnesium sulfate on day six.

A By airscapes

Birdie Rouge is a product of Ellie's at Bunny Hop SeedsStarted 1-10-22 in DIY Bounty, to stay in the DIY bountyGermination took 3 days at 80F in a temperature controlled grow tent.Hydro-Gardens Tomato formula, calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate added at day 6 per manufactures instructionshydro-gardens.com/product/tomato-formula-5lbs-box-4-18-38x5/Ec 2.02 PH 6.7 (PH close enough to target 6.5 not to bother adjusting atm)
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