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Habanada pepper failure to set fruit, followed by bonchi and outdoor transplant

Grow log by ERR0R1755 · Original thread

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CropPepper
VarietyHabanada
MethodAeroGarden Bounty hydroponics, bonchi culture, outdoor container culture
EquipmentAeroGarden Bounty
Plants1
AudienceExperimental

What you can learnValuable failure case documenting a vigorous flowering pepper that never set fruit despite nutrient adjustments, pruning, bonchi conversion, and outdoor cultivation.

Actions:3 Transplant3 Pruning
Useful practices
  • incremental nutrient increases
  • heavy canopy pruning
  • bonchi conversion
  • outdoor transplant as a final test
Problems encountered
  • very slow early growth
  • persistent flower drop
  • flowers apparently lacking pollen
  • no pepper set indoors or outdoors

*The days were calculated automatically and approximately.

Day 287
UPDATE#24
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Update #24

E By ERR0R1755

I see a flower!
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Sher

YAY!!!

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Shawn

Peppers are a coming.

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ERR0R1755

This pepper plant ended up growing large enough to fill the barrel - but it never produced any peppers! It did the same thing that it did indoors, where it would produce hundreds of flowers but no peppers.I think it might have been a type of pepper that required another plant to cross-pollinate with, although I've never heard of a pepper plant that required that.With the cooler temperatures, the plant has started to die back - and instead of turning it back into a bonchi, I will just let it die in place and plant something else next year.

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Shawn

That is a shame. I did grow Habandas and did get peppers. Maybe the vendor or the seed crop? I got mine from Burpee.

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ERR0R1755

It might be the vendor - I got mine from Refining Fire Chiles, but I haven't had enough experience with their seeds to know if it is unusual or not. Although given that mike has had great success with them, it was probably just a one-off issue.

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Shawn

I have had hit and miss with refining chilies. More off then not

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Shawn

It is very healthy looking. Nice looking plant.

Day 263
UPDATE#22
Grower update

Update #22

Actions taken

TransplantMoved the pepper outdoors into a new barrel.

E By ERR0R1755

Moved this outdoors into a new barrel, will be interesting to see how it does:
Day 176
UPDATE#21
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Update #21

E By ERR0R1755

It will be interesting to see if this flowers and produces peppers.
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maskedsonnet

Fingers crossed! It looks like it’s in good shape so far!

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Sher

It looks like it should.

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Shawn

I love the look of it all bonsai ish

Day 126
UPDATE#20
Grower update

Update #20

Actions taken

TransplantTransplanted the heavily trimmed pepper into a non-hydroponic bonchi setup.
PruningHeavily trimmed the pepper during the bonchi conversion.

E By ERR0R1755

I think this one is going to survive the transplanting and trimming!
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Shawn

That is cool looking!

Day 116
UPDATE#19
Grower update

Update #19

E By ERR0R1755

I'm going to consider this a failure, although I don't believe it was my fault. I'm not sure what I could have possibly changed to cause this issue, so it's probably either a genetic issue/mutation or some weird plant disease.I have some big plans for my next plant in this Bounty, but for now, I'll use this one as an experiment to see if I can bonchi it successfully.Before:After:
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Shawn

I look forward to all your next projects.

Day 112
UPDATE#18
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Update #18

E By ERR0R1755

Lots of leaves and flowers, but still no peppers.
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Sher

The peppers will come.

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ERR0R1755

It has one week left to show results, or it will get the axe.Or scissors, whatever is easier for me to find.

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mike

You know Duffy's site says these are 3-4 ft. tall plants. Burpee says they are 13-15" tall, but 2-3 foot wide. Looking at your plant, Burpee looks more accurate.

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ERR0R1755

I've gotten to the point where for fruiting plants, I don't bother with checking height since as far as I can tell, you can always just trim down the plant and it will still grow at a smaller height, even if it takes longer.

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mike

I try to keep my plants under 3 feet. They are typically shorter indoors anyway.

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Shawn

I grew the Burpee ones and they were the shorter of the two sizes.

Day 105
UPDATE#17
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Update #17

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Sher

It is getting huge!

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ERR0R1755

Added 12ml of nutes.

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mike

Any luck with peppers?

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ERR0R1755

No signs of peppers or pollen yet.

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mike

Then you need to determine how much longer you will give them to produce. Since you've changed your nutrient level to 12 ml, I wouldn't let it stretch more than another couple of weeks.I have had many projects that just didn't produce. Is this the Burpee variety? Those are supposed to mature in 3 months.Good luck.

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ERR0R1755

This is from Refining Fire Chiles, and I've never seen this happen before. Even with the Cayanne Long Slim that I barely remember to water, grew in too small of a bottle, and only give a couple drops of nutes at a time - it still produced peppers.Going back further to the Jamaican Bird Pepper that was way too big for a Harvest, even through I ended up terminating it, it had pollen as soon as it had flowers. I'm honestly not sure what is wrong with this one.I think I'll contact the seller and see if they've heard of this issue, but I'll give it two more weeks (until Feb 20) to produce otherwise.

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mike

I don't think I'd contact Jim Duffy on that. I ticked him off when I contacted him on the Yellow 7-Pot seeds that didn't germinate. I was surprised he answered my email himself. He is a major supplier to Amazon.

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ERR0R1755

Oops. Well, the email is sent now - I don't think the issue is with the seeds themselves (unless it was a spontaneous mutation that was just in this particular seed) but if I get a helpful response then I'll post it here.

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Shawn

I dont know what it is with the seeds this year.. but I know mike and I both ordered from the same place (and it be be this one) but we got seeds that were all duds and did not germinate. If from the same place could it be they were not processed correctly? Maybe not dried long enough? I know I never did write them, thought about it but did not. EDITED: Yup mine were also from the same place.

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ERR0R1755

The response I got from Jim Duffy wasn't very... inspiring. Oh well. I'll give this two more weeks and see what happens.

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Shawn

Well we know that just is NOT true.

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maskedsonnet

Sounds like a guy who refuses to accept that there’s more then one right way to grow plants. That sort’s always annoying

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mike

I agree with him in one respect. You can't compete with growing in California sunshine. But we all know we can utilize what tools we have to grow peppers indoors. The super-hots were always an experiment for me. Even now, I'm looking for the peppers I can grow with flavor first, and heat being secondary to prepare the dishes I want.Jim Duffy is one of the best pepper growers, in the world. Unfortunately, I believe he's become quite arrogant about his methods. I'm sure we could create indoor grow tents to reproduce his success. But at what cost? Grow lamps, electricity and temperature control are expensive.Green energy policies will raise electricity costs. I hope I can still afford to run my air conditioner and gardens during the Summer.

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ERR0R1755

Whenever someone invents a way to have Californian sunshine indoors without (or with very little) electricity usage, I'll be one of the first willing to test it

Day 98
UPDATE#16
Grower update

Update #16

Actions taken

PruningRemoved growth outside or above the light and inaccessible rear growth.

E By ERR0R1755

I pruned this quite a bit - I removed anything that was outside/above the light, anything that was touching the light, and anything that was heading towards the back where I can't get to it.
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Sher

Looks good!

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ERR0R1755

Added 4ml of CALiMAGic. I will need to add more regular AG nutes soon as well.

Day 91
UPDATE#15
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Update #15

E By ERR0R1755

mike, it has been almost six weeks since it started flowering and still no signs of peppers, any suggestions?
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mike

Make your nute concentration is 12 ml per gallon of water. If it is lower than that it could be the reason. If you are between 8 and 11.5 ml concentration you wouldn't see anything wrong except no peppers. Below 8 ml you would see yellowing of leaves. If it is higher than that you are probably dropping a lot of blooms and getting leaf curl.These are generalizations. It could be something else, but after 45 days, I stick to that schedule.

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ERR0R1755

Thank you! No leaf curl (aside from the leaves very close to the light) and no yellow leaves, so I assume the nute concentration is too low. I will increase it.

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ERR0R1755

Added another 12ml of nutes. I checked the PPM and it was around 150, which makes sense given that it drinks about half of the tank a day.

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mike

One example for me was my White Habanero project I just concluded. I planted that project at the end of August. It went over 75 days before it started to produce. If you look at my feeding schedule, you will see I had them at 11.5 ml the month prior to producing. At that point, I only had a few tiny peppers. Then I added 12 ml nutes. Boom! I got hundreds of tiny but potent habanero peppers.I used to use 11 ml nutes as a guideline. Not any more. I feel with the AG nutes, 12 ml is necessary starting at 45 days. 8 ml to start, 8 ml at 15 days, 11 ml at 30 days with 10 ml Mooch, and 12 ml nutes and 10 ml Mooch after that for peppers.

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Sher

mike, I screenshot your post to keep as a guideline. I really appreciate the help.

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ERR0R1755

Yes, seems like it was using nutes a lot faster than I expected. Added another 8ml.

Day 84
UPDATE#14
Grower update

Update #14

E By ERR0R1755

Still no sign of peppers, just a lot of (pollen-less?) flowers.
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Shawn

I have had many pepper plants that never seem to drop pollen. Actually one of mine now does not drop any but has tons of peppers.

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ERR0R1755

That is good to know - I'm used to pollinating tomatoes where the pollen tries to cover everything underneath it...

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ERR0R1755

Added 12ml of nutes.

Day 77
UPDATE#13
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Update #13

E By ERR0R1755

Still no signs of peppers, but plenty of flowers.
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Shawn

If you have flowers, the peppers will follow

Day 70
UPDATE#12
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Update #12

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Sher

Nice progress!

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ERR0R1755

Added 4ml of CALiMAGic and 6ml of AG nutes.I've been noticing a lot of blossom drop - I'm hoping that the CALiMAGic will fix that (or that it's just because the flowers are new).

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mike

Many pepper varieties continue to have a large amount of blossom drop. It isn't something to be concerned about. They're just a pain to clean up.

Day 63
UPDATE#11
Grower update

Update #11

Actions taken

PruningRemoved many lower leaves.

E By ERR0R1755

I removed a lot of the lower leaves to try and clean things up.
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ERR0R1755

Added 12ml of nutes!

Day 56
UPDATE#10
Grower update

Update #10

E By ERR0R1755

I was expecting this to get taller, it seems like I could even grow it in a Harvest.
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Shawn

If I remember I think mine was smaller as well. I know I Have it listed in my garden.

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ERR0R1755

Added 6ml of nutes.

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ERR0R1755

Added another 6ml of nutes! There are two flowers at the moment, I'll grab a picture of them tomorrow for my weekly updates.

Day 49
UPDATE#9
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Update #9

E By ERR0R1755

I will remove some more leaves soon. I see flowers coming in!
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Sher

Looking great, Error.

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ERR0R1755

Added another 6ml of nutes.

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ERR0R1755

Added 6ml of nutes. There are some small flower buds starting to form

Day 43
UPDATE#8
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Update #8

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Dec 7, 2020 16:58:02 GMT -5 mike said:I'd definitely take the lower leaves off. Cool looking plant. Should I take off just the leaves or also the branches as well? There are some bigger branches like this one:
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mike

Just the leaves. If the branches are still in the way, you can snip them off. But I'd only take leaves at this point.

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ERR0R1755

Added 2ml of CALiMAGic and 6ml of AG nutes.I removed some of the lower leaves and set them aside for my small-scale indoor composting. I might remove the branch that is over the water port, but I'll give it a bit more time to see if it is in my way.

Day 42
UPDATE#7
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Update #7

E By ERR0R1755

This has grown up quite a bit. Should I prune off the lower leaves and branches or leave them alone?
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Sher

I would prune some off because they are not getting much light, and it would improve air circulation. But I am not a pepper expert. You might want to wait for a second opinion!

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Shawn

If it were me I would start off by removing the 4 largest and lowest leaves. You do not want to do too much too soon.You can also wait for mike to see what he says.

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mike

I'd definitely take the lower leaves off. Cool looking plant.

Day 36
UPDATE#6
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Update #6

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I am glad I didn't give up on this.
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Sher

So am I!

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ERR0R1755

Added 6ml of nutes.

Day 28
UPDATE#5
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Update #5

E By ERR0R1755

This is finally starting to look more like a pepper plant rather than a pepper seedling! I was considering terminating it since I thought that maybe it was a bad seed.
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Sher

It looks great!

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Shawn

Some peppers take time and like to make that special appearance

Day 21
UPDATE#4
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Update #4

E By ERR0R1755

Almost one month since I started the seeds.
Day 14
UPDATE#3
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Update #3

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Sher

Looks good.

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ERR0R1755

Added 8ml of nutes.

Day 7
UPDATE#2
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Update #2

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ERR0R1755

It's not growing as fast as I would like, so I added another 4ml of nutes.

Day 1
UPDATE#1
Grower update

Update #1

Actions taken

TransplantMoved the germinated Habanada seedling into an AeroGarden Bounty.

E By ERR0R1755

It germinated yesterday (the 24th), moved it into my Bounty today.
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ERR0R1755

Added 2ml of CALiMAGic and 6ml of AG nutes.

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