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Red and Golden Tomatoes with Pot-a-Peno in an AeroGarden Bounty

Grow log by maskedsonnet · Original thread

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CropTomato, jalapeno pepper
VarietyAeroGarden red tomato, AeroGarden golden tomato, Pot-a-Peno
MethodAeroGarden hydroponics
EquipmentAeroGarden Bounty
Plants3
AudienceAdvanced

What you can learnA strong troubleshooting diary covering probable nutrient overdose, measurement accuracy, pump checks, recovery, and eventual fruit set.

Actions:1 Equipment1 Planting1 Nutrients
Useful practices
  • using precise syringe measurements for tomato nutrients
  • checking pump operation during sudden plant decline
  • monitoring recovery before discarding a stressed plant
  • keeping duplicate healthy jalapeno seedlings rather than immediately cutting one
Problems encountered
  • one tomato plant rapidly declined
  • both tomato plants developed some leaf browning
  • overfeeding was the grower’s leading explanation
  • an insecticide application was also discussed as a possible stressor
  • no ripe harvest is documented

*The days were calculated automatically and approximately.

Day 87
UPDATE#13
Grower update

Update #13

M By maskedsonnet

Tomatoes!! There are quite a lot of them on the plant
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airscapes

WhoHoo.. Do you eat tomato sandwiches?Tomato's of any size sliced to 1/4" thickToasted white breadHellman's Mayo2-3 slices of Natural Slender or Newyorker American Cheeseand a Dash of salt.Yum!I never ate tomatoes until I got married and finally tried her tomato sandwich with my own tomato's.

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maskedsonnet

I’m gonna have to try that, I’ve never had a tomato sandwich! They sound yummy! We’ve always just sliced them and sprinkled them with a little salt, or just sliced and ate plain. Home grown tomatoes are the bessst

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Sher

I love just plain tomato, lettuce, mayonnaise and toast sandwiches. Especially when you have the home grown tomatoes that are so big that one slice covers the bread. Add crisp bacon and it is out of this world!

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campingcorgis

Pass the tomatoes, please...

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maskedsonnet

That just reminds me of bacon sandwiches, yummmmm!! Bacon, toast with melted cheese, Mayo, avocado, and home grown tomato! Breakfast of champions

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Sher

Positively decadent!

Day 71
UPDATE#12
Grower update

Update #12

Actions taken

NutrientsMeasured the tomato food with a syringe during the next feeding.

M By maskedsonnet

I think over-feeding may have been the culprit for the smaller tomato plant's sudden almost-death. Luckily he has bounced back perfectly well and is getting bigger! I used the syringe to measure the food this time around, and no signs of death like last time. And the larger plant has quite a few tomatoes hiding in the thick leaves!!
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Sher

It's a gorgeous jungle of tomatoes!

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Shawn

Looking good. Tom Toms should be coming soon

Day 64
UPDATE#11
Grower update

Update #11

M By maskedsonnet

Got one tiny tomato forming and lots of flowers
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campingcorgis

Oh, yeah! Tomatoes in the future!!

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Sher

Way to go! Once they start, they really take off!

Day 55
UPDATE#10
Grower update

Update #10

M By maskedsonnet

The smaller plant is recovering a bit!
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Shawn

YAY!

Day 50
UPDATE#9
Grower update

Update #9

M By maskedsonnet

I like to use this little shot glass, an impulse-buy from a few years ago because having a measurement shot glass amused me:But I also have a syringe that I bought for AG nutrients, I just felt it was a bit clunky compared to the glass. I'll go back to using the syringe for the tomatoes
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campingcorgis

LOL...it amuses me too! Very cute shot glass.

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Sher

I like the shot glass, too.

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maskedsonnet

I got it at Walmart! It’s been a few months since I’ve been inside an actual store instead of doing curbside, but last time I was there I saw them near the measuring cups in the kitchen tool area

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airscapes

I also have a set of these, first set came broken but they sent a replacement without any issues.www.ebay.com/itm/1Set-Low-Form-Glass-Beaker-5-10-25-50-100ml-Borosilicate-Measuring-Lab-Glassware/162595611675?hash=item25db74241b:g:XScAAOSw-9RZba3FBeen using the 100ml to water the onions and shallots since it pours nice.

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maskedsonnet

Oh, those ARE nice!! My mom was a chemistry teacher for 37 years and has some beakers she likes to use around the house, yet it somehow never occurred to me to use beakers for nutes!!! Likely because no matter how much I love mom, I HATED chemistry (and most of the other sciences, weirdly enough), which generally leads to me forgetting about all its tools unless they’re directly in front of me. Weird how much I ended up hated memorizing chemicals but loved the higher mathematics, which requires just as much memorization as chem did. Guess I’m more like dad, his degree is in math, which has always made more sense to me than chem or bio. Random tangent - I took Geology as an elective in college and that was pretty much the only science class I’ve ever enjoyed, largely because of how entertaining the professor was. Like, my degree is in civil engineering and I didn’t even like physics, something engineers rely on every day to keep things from falling apart. It was the most boring class I’ve ever sat through in my entire life. The actual engineering courses were a lot of fun (I DESTROYED the grading curve in the structural analysis class, which was basically physics as it applies to building things, and is my favorite class even 8 years out of college. I may not use any of the formulas any more, but it gave me a hearty appreciation for fulcrums and spatial awareness that physics tried and utterly failed to drive home). Somehow pure science courses make even the coolest subjects dry and terrible.

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airscapes

The thing about those cheapo ebay beakers, and I assume not the quality beakers.. right under the top measurement line it says Approximate..

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Shawn

I posted somewhere else about this at one time. I have the 5ml and 10ml syringes but I also use the OXO Beakers and love them.

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Sher

I remember that post and the pictures of the cute little beakers.

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airscapes

Back to the dead plant.. is the pump running correctly after the refill??

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maskedsonnet

As far as I know it’s still working, I’ll check when I get home from work tonight

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Shawn

Are you referring to this one? I totally missed it..... I find herbs do not need the full amount of nutrients. I think your parsley had too much nutes. I keep my nutes at 16 to 20ml of nutes for herbs. As for water, some plants will use more then others as well as one day it will drink a lot then others not at all. I have had to add water top many units daily... Is this what you were referring to as "pump" working correctly?

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airscapes

@shawn, I was talking about maskedsonnet tomato plants that died. I agree my garden got too much nutrient this time around and I will reduce next time. When Lookin at Maskedsonnet's plant that as still growing it resembled a plant that had too much nutrient using my resent experience as the driver for my statement. After more thought it seems like the smaller plants decline seem a bit fast to just be too much nutrient. The thread had digressed to measuring devices which is great, but I was still fixated on the failed tomato plant and why.

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Shawn

Ok... If the roots were cuts too much, it the plants was pruned too heavily, not healthy, change in temp a pump not running can all be causes. Sometimes I find that one day they are great and the next dead. It happened to one of my pepper plants

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maskedsonnet

Was just able to check, the pump is working correctly

Day 49
UPDATE#8
Grower update

Update #8

M By maskedsonnet

I'm... not sure what happened here. One day the plant on the right looked fine, the next... this. The one on the left still looks mostly healthy, but there's some browning on some of the leaves. There are blooms on both plants...
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Shawn

Maybe put a fan on low there to give them some circulation?

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airscapes

I don't have a lot of experience with hydroponics yet, but I would guess too much nutrients.The reason I say this is I just flushed and filled my herb garden for the first time. I have a DIY Bounty that holds about as much water as the Farm so I used 16ML of nute to start. This was my first drain and fill and my plants were very heathy looking. The bottle says on second refill to go to 24ml which I did. Then 2 day later my parsley had the white/brown edges on some of the leaves that seems to mean too much nute and were also kind of stiff and curling. I had not checked the water on day one after the refill and it was lower than I normally allow it go get (making for a more concentrated mix). Since refilling the water level and keeping it full, the plants are doing much better. Not knowing anything about your process I am just guessing with using the image of the left plant as the only data to go on. Hopefully you can determine the root cause of the failure to prevent it from happening again.Good luck!

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campingcorgis

Uh, oh! Wish I had some advice...or a magic wand! St. Patrick's Day is coming...maybe the luck of the Irish or a leprechaun!

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airscapes

What exactly did you do during you cleaning spree?? What cleaning products did you use and where in relation to the plants?

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maskedsonnet

airscapes mostly I just did a more thorough vacuuming than usual, used the hose attachment to make sure I got all the fallen leaves up from both the carpet and all the shelves, dusted with a damp rag around all the plants. The rag was just damped with water, no cleaning product. The biggest part of that cleaning was taking out my farm basic and doing a deep-clean/sterilizing of it, plus taking the peppers from the Farm XL into the bathroom to hose the plants down in the tub. When I finished all that I wiped the decks of the XL with Clorox wipes, but this Bounty is a good 3-4 feet away from there, I didn't hit it with any cleaning solutions. I DID spray all the plants in the room down with an insecticide, but it was a very light spraying that didn't seem to do the sort of damage to the left plant that it did on the right. Though it was the day after the spraying that the damage to the right plant happened, and it's always been a bit smaller than the one of the left. Maybe it was more sensitive?

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campingcorgis

Hmmm...makes me wonder...people can have allergic reactions, dogs, cats, animals can have allergic reactions. Maybe plants can too?

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airscapes

What insecticide did you use and was it the first time on these plants?

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maskedsonnet

Maggie's Farm 3-in-1 garden spray, which says it's safe for use on herbs and vegetables as well as houseplants (which I took to mean "safe to use indoors", my primary reason for buying it). It was the first time that I'd used it on that plant, which is why it was a very light spraying, I misted it once (as in, only pulled the "trigger" on it once) and left it be to see what happens. Next time I guess I'd better just do it on one leaf instead of holding it back far enough to hit the whole plant :|

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airscapes

Was just curious and it sounds like it should be just fine. Tomato plants are really rather hardy when it comes to chemicals, and most of the times I have caused issue with my outside plants it revolved around applying to late in the morning on a really hot day, after the plants were stressed from the insects and Appling too much.. One spritz should not kill the plant unless they put weed killer in the bottle rather than bug killer.. If all the rest of the plans are ok, I think I would rule that out.

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maskedsonnet

Yeah all I can think is that your earlier comment about overfeeding is probably right, I did feed everything the same day I cleaned. I tend to round up to the nearest 5 when I feed, because that's easier to measure in my little cup, but I'll probably have to stop doing that to the tomatoes. The peppers have never minded (including the peppers I've got in my other Bounty), but it's an extra 3 ml for the Bounty vs the extra 1 ml that the Farms get.

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airscapes

I bought some syringes off ebay which makes it a little more exacting I think then the cap and you can simply adjust if needed.A 1ml and a 6ml is all you really need. If you know anyone who is in health care I am sure they can get you something for nothing. After I bought these www.ebay.com/itm/15pcs-Syringes-20ml-10ml-5ml-3ml-1ml-15pcs-Blunt-Tip-Needles-15pcs-Sterile/263899003635 I found a 5ml Syringe I had brought home after a procedure my wife had done.. it was going in the trash anyway. They use them to flush IV lines, use them once and in the trash they go..

Day 40
UPDATE#7
Grower update

Update #7

M By maskedsonnet

I get super excited every time I compare photos and see how much these have grown. I can't wait for tomatoes!!
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Sher

You should be seeing flowers. Are you feeding them Aerogarden nutrients?

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Shawn

A word of caution.. About the trellis, you will not be able to turn the plants (if that is something you do to control the roots) and it will be a little hard to get in there. I used it for my tomatoes and a lot of greenery and tomatoes were broken off. I love the system but it can not be removed easy at all once the plants get larger.

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maskedsonnet

I am feeding them AG nutrients, but didn’t get super close to the plants for the photo so not sure if there’s any blooms. I’d just been dealing with the farm with the bug problem and didn’t want to touch anything else and possibly make the problem worseFor the trellis, I don’t turn my plants. But it sounds like it makes it hard to get at the plant, so I’m going to take it down. I don’t think the AG tomato plants get that tall anyways.

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Sher

Not touching them was a smart move. My tomatoes had a bad case of bugs.

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maskedsonnet

After my two-day plant room cleaning spree, I finally went over and examined the tomato plants. I'm not seeing any blooms on there yet, but did spot a few nubs on the bigger plant that could be blooms-to-be. Got a nose-full of that nightshade scent as I was removing the trellis though lol!

Day 33
UPDATE#6
Grower update

Update #6

M By maskedsonnet

These are getting bigger! Extra happy about that because of the failure of the container tomato experiment, I love tomatoes and look forward to home-grown after a winter of store-bought!
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Shawn

Doing well. Oh seeing your trellis, Know that is you plan on turning your plants the trellis makes it a bit hard. At least I found that I would loose leaves and or crop trying to do so.

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Sher

I wish my tomato plants looked that pretty!

Day 23
UPDATE#5
Grower update

Update #5

M By maskedsonnet

They're both alive and well!! The tomatoes are doing good too I'm thinking maybe a few more weeks and the jalapenos will be ready to move to their new homes.
Day 19
UPDATE#4
Grower update

Update #4

M By maskedsonnet

Success? I think so! We'll see if they both stay alive
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Sher

Wishing them both the best! Looks like success to me so far.

Day 19
UPDATE#3
Grower update

Update #3

M By maskedsonnet

These are all coming along really nicely!! I had two plants come up in the pot-a-peno, and later tonight I'm going to follow this guide that Sher put out to move one to its own pod, they both look so nice and healthy I hate to just snip one out. I'll find the space for two plants.
Day 9
UPDATE#2
Grower update

Update #2

M By maskedsonnet

The tomatoes are both up, as well as the jalapeno!
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Shawn

Now they will begin to take off.

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Sher

This is where it gets exciting to watch them grow and develop!

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gsaxon

maskedsonnet , do you think three plants in the bounty is going to be too crowded? I guess it depends on the variety that you are growing. I see the three varieties listed in your posting, so are you planning on keeping two and only moving the Pot-a-Peno? I am guessing you live somewhere warm because a hanging basket in Chicago would not last long.

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maskedsonnet

I think it would get too crowded if I left all three plants in there. The two tomato plants will probably take up all the space (though I admit it’s been a long time I’ve grown AG tomatoes and don’t really remember how big they get). While I do live in NM where it’s nice and warm I’m actually planning to hang the pot-a-peno basket in the window of the same room I’ve got the AGs in, with a grow light to supplement the very limited sunshine I get in that window. My goal is to grow most of my own produce indoors because of how unbelievably hot it gets here in the summer, to cut down on how much water I’m having to use to keep a garden alive in that heat. Depending on how successful I am this year/into next year I might rip the entire back yard out, cap off the sprinkler system, and have native grasses/wildflowers planted back there that I don’t have to water to keep alive.

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gsaxon

It sounds like you have planned this out! I wish you luck growing indoors. I worry about the challenges of growing indoors, specifically getting enough light and bugs. Keep up posted with your tomato updates!

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maskedsonnet

Yeah, all my indoor plants have grow lights on them because my house doesn't get much natural lighting sadly. I've had to battle bugs a couple times, but so far I've been able to get rid of them with minimal losses. I look forward to seeing how this goes and sharing what happens!

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maskedsonnet

This was too good not to share: A second reason that I want to take my gardening indoors. The video was shot in Lubbock, about 200 miles east of where I am. We experienced the same weather shown here, and it's somewhat regular. Even with a good cinderblock fence around the back yard, storms like this tear the hell out of a garden as well as drying it out. And since I work for the railroad, 6 hours of my shift was spent sitting in a car next to the tracks, taking wind readings so I could tell the dispatcher when it was safe to run trains again. I clocked a lot of time on my phone today lol. Confirmed wind speeds up to 80 mph at one point.

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Sher

That looks otherworldly, maskedsonnet. Eerie. I can see why you want to garden indoors!

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gsaxon

maskedsonnet, now I can certainly see why you want to grow your gardens indoors. Gardening outdoors has it's challenges wherever you live. I never even imagined the impact of dust storms! Just crazy!

Day 1
UPDATE#1
Grower update

Update #1

Actions taken

EquipmentSet up a newly purchased AeroGarden Bounty.
PlantingPlanted one red tomato pod, one golden tomato pod, and one Pot-a-Peno.

M By maskedsonnet

Bought a new Bounty and put some tomatoes in it!! Used pre-seeded AG pods, 1 red and 1 golden. Also started a Pot-a-Peno in here from Park's Seeds! My dad gave me these to try out, and when it gets big enough I'm gonna move it to a hanging basket.
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Sher

I hope you like both the yellow and red tomatoes. I did -- a lot! The pot-o-peno is a beautiful plant!

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Shawn

That Pot-O-Peno looks pretty cool.

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maskedsonnet

I love all tomatoes! p: I’m looking forward to having some cherry tomatoes!

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